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Need to vent a little about my other half! We've been together for a long time now but we don't live together. He's never had kids of his own and is far too set in his ways to be able to live with children in his space 24/7 so it works best this way. He comes down to my house twice a week and I spend weekends up at his (either with or without my children depending on whether they're at their dad's or not). Of course, not having his own children doesn't stop him from having an oppinion on how best to raise them! Last night we had WW3 on the phone. It all started when I gave my 10-year old daughter an ultimatum on Monday to get her bedroom cleaned up before Friday or I'd be in there with the black bags and it's all off to the tip. On the whole, I try to let the kids manage their own bedrooms and what they keep where but it had just become completely out of hand. You couldn't see the carpet for toys and clothes, books and papers everywhere. By last evening, it was looking better ... still a bit more work needed but on the whole, on the right track. My daughter's bedroom came up in the phone conversation and I ended up getting the third degree because I was not planning on getting rid of all her stuff. I explained that all the papers had been put away in drawers and that the toys / books / clothes were off the floor. He kept saying that it was "all just crap" and that I'm being "too soft" and that all her papers and drawings should go in the bin. I got really angry because to me, this shows her no respect. Just because he (or I) think her bits of paper are rubbish doesn't mean that they hold no value to her. What right would I have to just chuck out her things that she's made an effort to put away? What message is that sending to her? Granted, she could probably do with getting rid of a lot of the junk she's accumulating but she did what I asked ... she's tidied her room. Anyway, I know I'm right and he's wrong (see the basis of the problem already?  ) but now I'm really grumpy with the stubborn old control-freak and I'm not feeling very loving towards him AT ALL! Only problem is ... it's his birthday on Sunday Thanks for letting me get it off my chest Joanna
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Oh dear!!!  (you ARE right by the way!) YES I'VE CHANGED, PAIN DOES THAT TO PEOPLE.
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You're right to put your children first and what's it got to do with your 'Partner' if their bedrooms are a mess? I think control freaks are best left controlling their own lives and not worth the hassle. You deserve better and if you only see him on his terms then start dictating what you want out of this relationship.
I've had a few glasses of wine so I would probably be different in the morning. lol
Take care of you and your children like you have done.
Chris xx
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Hi I have the same problem with Sophie as you said to us it is rubbish but to a child it is a work of art how dare any man tell you how to treat your child I had a go at Sophie tonight about her room then I stopped my-self thinking I was young my-self once children grow up so quick before you know it they will have got a place of there own enjoy your children while they are still young because one day when you turn around they will not want to bother with you it will be there friends or boy/girl friends I can-not write on here what I think about any-one telling you how to bring up your children if I did I would be banned from here I think my daughters room will still be there when I am dead and burried I am going to enjoy every second of my daughter's childhood I would of got very mad with him if he told me what to do take care I dident mean to sound so bad Mary L
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When my children were that age their rooms were disgusting to my eyes but they were THEIR rooms-the one little space in the world where they could be in charge and not have someone on their backs. Yes, it drove me mad and yes, I would occasionally HAVE to say something or health and safety would have been in but I used to think that there were far more serious issues with pre teens/teens to have to worry about and so I let that problem go to leave me with a bit more energy to cope with all the other 'stuff'-far more dangerous and far more important. By the way as a ps, my daughter's home is now kept spotless and so is my son's though to a lesser degree! YES I'VE CHANGED, PAIN DOES THAT TO PEOPLE.
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Hi Joanna, Jess has a "muddle cupboard" - it was a drawer but now a cupboard! Needs must! lol Anyway - after countless altercations and missed deadlines - this is where all her muddles go and together we decided this bit is nothing to do with me - this seems to work to be working surprisingly well. Apart from the muddle cupbaord her whole room was tidy the other day (but ....no, it didn't last!) Jess has never been tidy - she is a flippity gibberty, haphazard, very happy go lucky personality ~ we wouldnt change her for the world but would like her to learn to keep her muddles more under control! Her older sis Sophie is much more organised - even as a toddler she loved tidying up and putting things into order, she's not quite so tidy now tho' but still well organised. Wouldnt want them both the same tho', also Jess has a much smaller room so i think this makes it harder to keep tidy.
Jess definitely seems to feel more in control of her muddles lately and i know she is planning a clear out of the muddle drawers sometime soon (...wont hold my breath tho'!) The top of the muddle cupboard is kept tidy with some precious ornaments and treasures arranged there - maybe one day the rest will be tidy too ;) but meanwhile our no pressure arrangement seems to be working!
Sometimes actions speak louder than words - so maybe just let him work out how things are (- ie you are right, he's wrong!! ;) and let's hope whatever is right for you works out and whatever happens, hope u have a happy weekend xx love Liz xxx
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Dear Joanna, My heart goes out to you, it really does! I think this man needs a reality check. Your daughter's stuff is her stuff. Her drawings, her fondness for her things, need respecting and in her own bedroom which is her private space, should be sacrosanct. This girl,I don't know her age, has made a real effort to tidy things away because you wanted her to. What a lovely girl she is to have tidied up. My kids are now oldest guy, 33, daughter,32 and younger son 29. I have never since they were 11'ish ever touched a thing in their rooms when they still lived at home. The only thing I would request removed was food if I ever saw any in their rooms left to one side. But this hardly ever happened and I would say was mainly coffee or tea mugs maybe forgotten and in their rooms. My daughters room was allways lovely, but the boys! But they liked their mess and as I did not wish to be their perpetual servant, I left them to enjoy their squalor! Also they objected to my being in their rooms! Goodness only knows what they had in there - it was girls eventually! I think that even now the two guys, they are too old to refer to as boys anymore, one has an 8 year old daughter of his own, still clean up in one huge go, every now and then. But of course they have their own flats/room, etc. It wouldn't suit me, but it suits them! Much love too you, Fiona P.S my partner,Steve has his own place too, and he cleans up in one massive go occasionally and he is 50!
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YOU ARE DEFINITELY RIGHT!!!! Sorry only just got round to replying. I have 2 sons and 2 daughters, my sons are now in their 30s and were the dirtiest scriffiest objects ever to walk the eartn!!! But i left them to it, every now and then they did a mass clear out. As Fiona says, apart from food remains, its up to them. My girls a re better, the eldest is now 30 and keeps her room spotless, Georgia is 16, (yes our surprise!!) and is very messy!!! She has a tidy up when asked, but has lots of work to do with 6th form, so I would never dream of touching it. I know your daughter is much younger, but even so, she has a right to her private things, they are important to her. Your partner has no right to tell you how to parent your children, more so if he has none to have practised on!!! BARBARA
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Thanks for all the replies! She did a good job getting the floor cleaned up so at least I won't kill myself when I need to go in there! I've been in with the vacuum cleaner and she's really pleased to be able to see her carpet again. Long may it continue (HA HA HA) Joanna
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Joanna
Just catching up on your post. I think nearly every teenager goes through their messy phase, I know my 13 year old Daughter is very challenging. However, I have to feel somewhat guilty, as I was exactly the same at her age. My Husband despairs of my Daughter being so untitdy and I hang in the background feeling very guilty. My Mother says "what goes around comes around". She spent many years shouting at me and now I am experiencing it in bucketfulls. I have to say I did grow out of my messy phase but my Husband is the "househusband" and woe betide if anything is out of place, so I do understand how you feel about your partner and he does not even live with you.
I think you need to stand your ground with your partner and let your Daughter go through a normal growing up phase. I know I still have some very simple drawings and scribbles that my Daughter has done throughout the years as they do invoke some lovely memories and my Daughter would be very hurt if she saw me throwing them out.
Hope your situations manages to sort itself out.
Jackie xx
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Joanna, I think its hard for anyone to be completely tidy unless they own nothng or have infinite built in storage space. I suppose its one of those things where someone making a comment without fully appreciating the full picture. I think you sound like a great mum and I hope you get big payback next Sunday. You deserve it.
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Hi Joanna how are you doing? I have been worried you sounded so down in your last post hope things has got better for you take care Mary L
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Hi Mary,
Thanks for asking ... I'm doing really well! I was just a bit grumpy with the old misery-guts (he can be a real control freak!). Sometimes, raising the kids on my own, you can doubt your own instincts and start thinking you've completely lost the plot so it's quite reassuring to hear I'm not doing anything most others wouldn't do too.
Hope you are doing well, too!
Joanna
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ohh err Just read these . What a man .Joanna don,t let this man move in .What ever you do .He is just a boyfriend . you are right .But he thinks he rules the roast . christine The chocolate eating housewife ...The washer woman .....naughty lady
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You are right. Dont even consider throwing her things out. Kathleen Mc.
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I know this is rather an old thread but just had to reply! When I was a child my Mum was quite good at giving us guidance and just a little help to get started on tidying our rooms. Ironically my brother's was tidier than mine as he spent all hours outside playing sport - his mess tended to be of the muddy shoes and clothes variety.
I've since become a tidy, organised adult and hate living in a mess. My partner (wonderful, loving and a godsend helping with RA) is very untidy, which is fine by me. Of course now our house is a tip as I've been able to do next to nothing since being diagnosed last Autumn. I'm gritting my teeth and living with it, this won't last forever. When my Mum had to stay a couple of nights this week she did nothing but criticise and complain about the mess (clean-ish and hygienic but chaotic). It drove me mad!
I'm glad I was in charge of tidying my things as a child and had help to learn how, I just wish my Mum would remember that now, it's awful being complained at! Some of my 'mess' is wonderfully messy pictures and bits and bobs made for me by a friend's children so I think you were spot on letting your daughter decide what's valuable and giving her guided control over her own space.
I wish someone would remind my Mum to continue that into my adulthood!
Vicky x
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